I commend to you http://www.intrepidlutherans.com/. This is a blog that takes up the sword and mantle of Confessional Lutheranism in the WELS.
Several years ago Aaron started this blog, Bailing Water, as a way to open up discussion on the inroads of the Church growth methods in the WELS. Aaron started this blog about the time the 2006 convention got underway. He gave up and I took up the mantle.
Bailing Water provided fruitful discussion on important topics and brought to surface many hidden agendas. For many the true agenda and players list of the Church and Change group was revealed.
The WELS has changed. There is disunity. Is Jeske WELS or LCMS?
As time and need arise new posts may rise to the surface here on Bailing Water. But, rest assured, for the years to come Bailing Water will remain a Confessional and historical resource.
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The Internet has destroyed the manufactured news of the denomination. Thank you, Bailing Water, for providing a forum for many people. You helped open the door to the stale, reeking closet full of spun stories and outright deceit.
Sir:
What are Jeske's errors?
Sincerely,
The Englander
Sir:
Precisely my point. I posted and asked you what were Jeske's errors and you fail to respond. Bluster, I believe the word is, to describe your post.
Sinerecly,
The Englander
Dear Englander,
Check out Jeske's Concordia Mequon speech. He mocks closed communion. Count how many times he says, "Change or die!"
In Christ,
from WELs church lady
Dear "WELs church day,"
A quote or two would do nicely to prove your contention. Pardon me if I don't take the word of an anonymous lass anymore than I would expect you to simply take "The Englander's" word without proof. Context is everything. Change what or die? The "what" is all important. (And where might one find this speech?)
By the by, I am against "closed" communion when those eligible are wrongly denied access.
Cordially,
The Englander
Dear "WELs church Lady,"
Please excuse the typo in my former post on your blog name.
Cordially,
The Englander
Can't we just get along?
Sir:
Since this Jeske cap has been maligned on this alleged "confessional and historical resource" without a scintilla of corroborating evidence, will a public apology be issued to him?
Not holding my breath,
The Englander
Jeske Laughs at Close communion
You made the charge. Give us the quote not just posting some link.
The Englander
"The Englander"...Duh..It is very clear! Jeske paints himself into a corner and he can't get out.
Anon,
It is poor etiquette to simply post a link to some speech or video and expect that to prove your point, not only does civility and decorum require that, but honesty. Cull out the quote and its context so that one might judge according to the fact, not just according to the "say so" of some "anonymous." This shouldn't be hard for you if it is so obvious as you contend.
The Englander
It is even poorer etiquette to not listen to posted link. If you would do this the quote would not need to be culled out and you could understand Jeske's mocking tone in its full glory.
Maybe you should also read the LCMS Reporter to learn how the Missouri Synod has endorsed Jeske.
Anon, you write, "It is even poorer etiquette to not listen to posted link." I trust this is your version of the childish "no, you are." Poor etiquette to not jump through someone else's hoop, someone else who is too lazy or impious to do the right thing? If you have such iron clad proof, then post it, otherwise keep your slander to yourself. And that holds for the moderator of this blog as well. You aspire to be "confessional"? If so, read the Large Catechism on the 8th commandment and its requirements. If this Jeske chap is such a scoundrel then it should be easy to document his errors. To date you haven't and this requires an apology to him.
The Englander
And when, pray tell, did Jeske become synonymous with WELS? I believe he is coming under review...
Personally, I am ELCA, I was LCMS until the church had a fall out. So I guess I have no business here, but I must say that you are being somewhat ridiculous. I have found that it doesn't matter what denomination you are as long as the place you are in your faith puts joy in your life. All the politics tear us apart and make in near impossible to proceed with ministry, which is so much more important.
Respectfully,
Dancing with Fire
I dont know many solid Lutherans - thoug hone of my edlers pointed out to me the giuy who runs 'Pirate Christian Radio' as being a Lutheran who actually knows solid theology....
Obviously I am ignornat to the good Luthernan theologians - as in my country they are nearly all wack!
You are all putting me to sleep.
I am an Intrepid Lutheran!
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Thank you and God bless everyone!
I really enjoyed reading the posts on your blog. I would like to invite you to come on over to my blog and check it out. God's blessings. Lloyd
The Englander,
Though I am not the one who originally published the comment on Jeske making fun of communion. I can tell you that the closest it comes to such is probably at 58:00. I could not hear the audio very well, but I did hear "communion," and he makes some faces and sounds. I'm not sure exactly what was said though. Perhaps someone else who has watched the video can transcribe better than I can.
that's very nice work that u do!
WELS Church Lady has called our attention to Mark Jeske's fine presentation on urban ministry. Listen to the whole thing before you judge his communion anecdote. It's clearly not an attack on close communion; it's a critique of a church bulletin in which the close communion advisory comes across as excluding all guests.
Then again, if you're just looking for something that can be construed as false doctrine, you can twist his words to that end. But you may want to consider what St. Paul has to say about slander in Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 5&6, and Titus 2. Of course, even your slander has been forgiven. Turn from it and receive God's grace. Fruits of such repentance would certainly include being reconciled to your brother, Pastor Jeske.
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